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This issue: Doom shows up on the Helicarrier to ask Maria Hill to have SHIELD stop coming after him, or at least leave Amara out of it. She's not too sympathetic. Then Doom learns that Ben Grimm is in Latveria, and heads off there, where he discovers that the military general he left in charge of turning it into a free country has instead established a corrupt military state. Doom orders him to establish a proper government and fix things. Heading to the castle, he finds a battered-looking Ben Grimm, who tries to tell him Cynthia is there; Doom says he knew as soon as he walked in. He says, "Hello, Mother."

So, yeah, no promised Doom-Cynthia confrontation yet, and really not a lot actually happened in this issue plot-wise when you crunch it down. Still, a few nice moments and interesting implications.

I like the way Doom explains the logic behind his appearing out of nowhere on the Helicarrier: after all, SHIELD would only have panicked and scrambled a team if he did try to alert them in advance that he was coming, so really he's causing everyone less hassle doing it this way. I kind of like this tack that Bendis is taking with 'reformed' Doom that has him acting with a very cold sort of rational logic and appearing completely blind to how others could find any flaw with it; these days he's going for condescendingly patient explanations rather than explosions of anger, but that bone-deep certainty that his way is objectively right definitely hasn't gone anywhere.

The stuff with the Latverian politics is potentially promising too. We learn this issue that Doom didn't just completely disappear on his people, but did make some token effort to get the people to govern themselves; only problem is they don't really have the experience or tools to know how to do that, which could be a setup for an interesting clash between Doom's effort to walk away from his position vs. his responsibility to leave something behind in his place that can function without him. Right now he's apparently resisting his former control-freak tendencies, but if the situation gets worse, how long before he steps in more directly, and how well is he going to restrain the urge to go down the slippery slope of taking over more and more because he sees how to do things 'better'?

All in all, a bit of a setup issue. Art and writing are maintaining the standard so I have no real complaints, but the plot's getting a bit more decompressed as things unspool, and I'd like to see more actually happening next issue. Especially in terms of getting some answers about Cynthia.

Date: 2017-01-27 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
the plot's getting a bit more decompressed as things unspool
Bendis gonna Bendis.

Date: 2017-01-29 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
(Mind you, if we have to get Bendis slipping back into bad habits, I will gladly take "decompressed but still reasonably in-character" over all the other possibilities for how he could screw things up.)

Yeah, same. I just don't have the patience for decompression anymore, especially not with the Damocles sword of Bendis!Doom hanging over the book.

Date: 2017-02-12 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
Me and sineala came with this comic (http://dhampyresa.livejournal.com/174873.html) about Bendis' issues.

Also, I finally read the McDuffie Fantastic Four Special -- it's AMAZING.

Date: 2017-01-31 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omfgarthur.livejournal.com
oh dude, sweet! I didn't know this comm was still active. hi! :) this is one of like the five titles I consistently look out for, if only because Maleev is so good.
I'm relatively a newbie when it comes to comix so... definitely not as well versed in the flaws and foibles of BMB. From what I can tell/have heard, Bendis's writing can be poor in that he makes everyone sound basically the same and oftentimes just...gets the characters wrong? (ex. his Laura Kinney)

Would you say that's extended to Doom in IIM as well? Like I said, I'm not too well-versed but to me at least, I feel he's been written at times with this uncharacteristic flippancy? And also a bit of an OOC snark.
Edited Date: 2017-01-31 08:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-01 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omfgarthur.livejournal.com
Haha, that's awesome! You might be just the person I'm looking for then, because I think I have enough time this semester to cut my teeth on some good Doom material. I've been reading stuff off and on for a long time but... lmao, it's been a long time, and I kind of want to get a more comprehensive look at his good stories and how he weaves into the FF mythos. Do you know if there's like a primer or rec list I could get my hands on for Doom? (I should add, I've been eyeing the /co/ reclist & the CBR listing as an initial guide)

Yeah, I thought so. :p I've seen other people rage about how OOC Doom is in IIM and I've kind of refrained from being TOO disdainful because I don't think I have as full a perspective, LOL. If anything, the art is enough to keep me from complaining, even if nothing really happened in like 2 of the 4 released issues lmfao.

LOL yeah! LJ isn't a place I usually frequent tbh, beyond searching for old fic or occasionally looking at ONTD; tumblr is more where I hang around (where i'm now currently super fixated on posting doodles of young victor lolol). But there's not very many people to talk Doom with there so I had to find other avenues! Glad to have met you now! :)
Edited Date: 2017-02-01 02:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-01 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omfgarthur.livejournal.com
OMG, bless! Thank you so much! :D Yeah, I've definitely read some of these, like I can remember Children's Crusade distinctly and I think some of Books of Doom off the top of my head. This is awesome, thank you! :))) Can't wait to check out a bunch of these

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